Public sentiment surrounding the recognition of Palestine as a state is largely favorable, with many viewing it as a crucial step for justice and liberation. Supporters express hope for peace while advocating against the two-state solution and critiquing Western nations for historical injustices. Nonetheless, skepticism exists regarding the effectiveness of such recognition and apprehension about potential impacts on extremist groups like Hamas. Divided opinions reflect significant opposition based on historical grievances.

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Maybe I missed it in skimming the article but does it say what borders are being recognised and which govt?

Smartyunderpants

It will be interesting to see if the UK and Canada follow suit.  Apparently, all three were supposed to make a joint declaration in June, but I assume they all then got threatening phone call from Washington.

Justin_123456

Recognizing which government? I assume Fatah but they still don’t control Gaza.

The-Intermediator141

I’m sure both Israeli hardliners and Hamas will both refuse to accept any reasonable Palestinian state solution so I don’t think there is much danger of success.

MeatPiston

The problem is that Palestine currently *isn’t* a state, so this is a counterproductive and pointless gesture that will appease the Muslim electorate in France, but make it even more difficult for a theoretical final status settlement to be agreed to.

What borders do they intend do recognize? Israel isn’t going to cede control of the Jordan valley or the majority of area C, and the Palestinians won’t agree to a final peace without them and more. What government do they intend to recognize? The PA lacks public backing by Palestinians and is seen as corrupt and ineffective, and the only other choice is Hamas.

This seems to be largely empty signaling and if anything is accelerationist because it would embolden  both Israeli hardliners who would annex the whole territory and voices inside Palestinian leadership who will continue to hold out for unrealistic terms that will never come in the hopes of undermining Israel’s legitimacy.

The problem, as it has been, is that Palestinian demands boil down to: Israel dismantling a dozen cities and evacuating almost a million people across the green line, and Israel accept millions of Palestinians and their descendants into internationally recognized Israeli territory, ultimately making a Jewish state unviable. Both are nonstarters, and represent little more than attempt to relitigate wars fought generations ago.

boldmove_cotton

EverybodyHits

This wont change US veto in the security council, for decades member of the general assembly overwhelmingly recognise Palestinian statehood and supportive of its admission, including many US allies. 

Magicalsandwichpress

user6161616

SS: French President Emmanuel Macron has officially announced that France will recognize Palestine as a state, what you think Israel's reaction will be? Will more EU countries follow? 

[Macron post on twitter (X)](https://x.com/EmmanuelMacron/status/1948462359468802252?t=3oFmDHVHRQBaosPJ081JMw&amp;s=19)

HollyShitBrah

Amoeba_Critical

One angry phone call from Trump later and he will suddenly decide it's not the right time again, assuming he is being serious in the first place and not just stalling for the pressure to die down.

ObviousLife4972

this is a very brave call, but was surprised at "Three quarters of UN states support Palestinian state". 

curious to learn the underlying motivation- is it pandering to a muslim vote bank or an idealogical stance?

wodkaholic

Recognition without a single condition meant to create peace?

He's even worse at diplomacy than Kier Starmer. At least he's trying to get something out of this - Macron is just giving Palestine the benefits of recognition without placing conditions on that recognition.

Known_Week_158

France was like “yeah, Palestine’s a state now,” and Israel instantly hit back with “cool, so you love terrorists now?” Whole thing’s turning into a diplomatic slap fight.

UnlikelyOpposite7478

Will this achieve antyhing, on its own.

  
No and it might futher damage hostage talks but it does highlight how pointlessly exhausting both the endless Gaza war and the abandoment of the two state solution for the last decade has been for Israel.

  
It's stragetic malpratice just like it is for Russia in Ukraine, China in the South China Sea for Israel to not even try to meet global or regional opinion in favor of pointless maximalism, especially when Israeli public opinon has wanted an end to the war for a year at this point.

spinosaurs70

The kind of thing that conducting a terrorist attack get you. Separatist movements will be taking notes from this, I guess.

rathat

-the US proposes a slanted deal (Israel releases 1000 people for 10 hostages, Hamas gets to keep the remaining hostages) and Israel accepts under pressure

-Hamas sees the pressure Israel is under and decides, no, we can hold out for an even better deal.

-Macron decides this is the perfect moment to reward Hamas with French recognition of a Palestinian state.

Macron knows that any concessions made are seen by Hamas as a sign they’re winning the PR war and encourages them to hold off on a deal.

He knows this prolongs the war.  He knows this leads to more suffering and more death on both sides, in the short term and the long term.

But it helps Macron with his political base, so he does it.

If France and other EU countries want to distance themselves from the US-sphere on this, we should take that into consideration the next time France asks us for assistance with protecting EU shipping lanes or with funding European defense.

Bullboah

That'd be great! Most Israelis want that too!  
What the Jews do NOT want to recognize is the terrorist group they elected.

Cultural-Flow7185

I don't understand how this helps?

Setting a precedent that encourages jihadis that if you kidnap civilians you'll be granted a state?!?!?! Great let's kidnap a bunch of people of from the French Riviera and refuse to give them back until until the French Riviera is an independent state

TheJacques

enigmaticalso

The problem is that even if you have a Palestinian state with a supposedly moderate leader like the PA...Iran and Hamas will just follow the Yemen / Lebanon model, and then attack Israel via a paramilitary (like Hezbollah in Lebanon). This group, whether Hamas or someone else, will be able to do whatever they want, and the state will say that they have no control over them, etc. Israel will then respond, and terrorists as well as innocents will get killed, and the cycle will continue.

ComprehensiveKiwi489

Mouse96

I'm sure this isn't gonna embolden Hamas more and will absolutely lead to a successful ceasefire.

petepro

France is now also recognized as Palestine 2.0

throwawayrandomvowel

Once again macron is selling out the fifth republic's principles and morals on the altar of petty populism and election policies. What a weak pathetic little man.

PeterLake2

what is the point, this changes nothing, it's just a thing they can do to say they are doing something, it's like recognizing an imaginary house, just because you say it's real, doesn't make it so.

LongjumpingEye8519

This holds the same effect as me recognizing Narnia. "Palestine" has no defined borders, no capital city, nothing. Macron is delusional and this is lip service that does nothing but benefit Hamas.

StreetWeb9022

Not surprising that French surrendered.  Israel must continue war until all hostages are returned.

Ok_Maximum_5205

It's going to be hilarious when the Palestinian's don't acknowledge the French acknowledgement. After all, then they wouldn't be able to classify every single Palestinian on the planet (including Bella Hadid) as a refugee for their data points and aid related asks.

Unable-Bridge-1072

Rewarding Hamas is a terrible precedent.  Macron is a dumb sh!t.  The french are only good as surrendering.

I can't believe this. This awful! Truly abhorrent. Now I have to like the French.

IguanaIsBack

Who is France recognizing as the government of Palestine? What are its borders

Maybe instead of doing performative things like this with absolutely no substance the world should be trying to figure out how they can force Hamas to god damn surrender

I honestly have no idea what this accomplishes outside of fever dreams that this is the first step toward finally eliminating Israel 

Berly653

The Palestinians don’t even recognize their own state

Wealthier_nasty

Project Israel is progressing because many Western  countries are committed to it.

PLUTO_HAS_COME_BACK

I wonder if his wife will slap him again for such grifter stupidity.

TheSameDifference

Its a political and diplomatic act. There is no need for existence of borders or currency. Its a political move to pressure Israel on accepting a 2 state solution.

Top-Bodybuilder-5352

Professional_Term140

On what borders? The Palestinians have yet to define a state for themselves. I guess the colonizing French are planning on defining the borders for them?

psychadelicrocks

I am incredibly pessimistic. The West has been giving lipservice to Palestinian liberation for decades

It_is_not_that_hard

Biggest two questions are under what authority and what boarders

Firecracker048

France can recognize unicorns, but it wouldn't make them real. 

turbografx_64

MunchkinX2000

Emmanuel "I convinced Putin to not invade Ukraine" Macron is really not a man any cause should relay on to do anything substantial

johnnyfat

OP it’s funny how you position yourself and anyone who shares your obvious biases as inherently “decent.”

arrogant_ambassador

That's cool. Does Palestine recognize itself as a state that exists in conjunction with Israel? This seems to be the fundamental issue as I see it. 

We can recognize their state all we want but if they don't recognize it without simultaneously recognizing an Israeli state, whose existence in terms of international recognition is undeniable, I don't understand how it's helpful.

Nomad8490

It’s one thing to recognize a Palestinian state before the war began, like during the Oslo process. It’s another thing entirely to do it now, before there’s even a resolution to the war, when Jewish civilians remained kidnapped in the name of Palestine. That’s reprehensible.

Aryeh98

France is undergoing some disturbing demographic changes. It has a large Islamic population. I wonder if this is to appease them?

JosephL_55

What borders? What government? Also good message to all would be "independent states", commit heinous terrorism and the French will recognize your "statehood".

Time to side against the French in all their territorial disputes.

Spirited_Volume2385

His "terms" for the recognition of Palestine are releasing all the hostages in the Strip, demilitarizing Hamas, and recognizing the State of Israel. Good luck with that to us all...

clarabosswald

Jugales

NUFC9RW

Kurdistan deserves to be in the chat too while we are at righting wrongs.

Photizo

Going to need to break that down into particulars. I’m all for it but there needs to be some clear border, governing entity etc..

Flangepacket

HockeyHocki

Palestinians don't even recognize a single state. What are they recognizing? Gaza and west bank are two separate entities at this point.

RICO_the_GOP

Ok. 

What borders and what government? Cause there is like 2-3 potential governments there and the borders are definitely not defined.

Falsus

People have very strong opinions in both directions about this, but IMHO, it mostly wouldn't matter. Israel already has closer ties with countries that recognize Palestine, like Czechia, Hungary and India, than with some Western European states that don't.

All it would do, is to provide a tangible benefit for Hamas for carrying out Oct. 7th, and starting this horrific war. And possibly a reason for Hamas to stall ceasefire negotiations in the short term - as they just did now, after the letter by European FMs blaming Israel, and demanding for it to surrender. But even on that level, these symbolic benefits are probably outweighed by the very tangible downsides of the war. I doubt that any Gazan would say that the war was worth it, because the number of states that recognize Palestine has risen from 147 to 151.

nidarus

As someone from Poland I'm surprised that so many countries haven't recognized Palestine. I never understood the logic behind it. 

pisowiec

Where is this Palestinian state and who is in control of it? Those seem like very basic questions that should be answered prior to the statehood that is being recognized.

MeteorKing

Did he recognize Hamas or the PLO as the official rulers of "palestine"? After all palestine is two different territories without real connections to each other and they are led by two different terror organisations that hate each other.

eHug

Does that mean that France will be in favor of treating this Palestinian state the exact same way you'd treat any other sovereign state when it sends over 1000 armed militants into another sovereign state to indiscriminately burn, loot, mutilate, murder, and rape?

malsomnus

No fucking way, France has the balls to bring the Palestinian State into discussion...and everyone is bitching about it lol

terrorista_31

Easy to say about something you think will never happen.  "I recognize the nation of Petoria," is just as meaningful of a statement.  The current conflict has guaranteed this will never occur, at least in the land that currently houses the Palestinian population.  It's fucked up, but that's just the state of things.  Israel lost interest in participating in that game on Oct 7.

No_Worldliness_7106

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Hamas and every terrorist organization just received a Huge confirmation that if you murder people at a party and take about 200 hostages and commit horrible crimes on camera you will be rewarded in the end

stivonim

Good. Once Hamas surrenders we can look at building a nation. Funny though that this is a two state solution and will not fly with the majority of Palestinians (in power)

Celmeno

Do you all reckon Spain and Ireland will follow suit?


Edit: had not realized this was already the case

elidoan

Recognizing the state would mean the people in Gaza could qualify for refugee status. The Supreme Court of France announced that all people in Gaza could emigrate to France as refugees. 

France is about to become a lot more Arab 🥲

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September is several thousand slaughtered innocent people from today.

While recognizing Palestine, humankind must also exile the far right ultranationalist psychopath Israel from our ranks.

japakapalapa

Heard the same bs prior. He already was supposed to do it in June.


Also, there's no need to wait anything he could do it this very second. Empty posturing.

MisterDucky92

mrjohnnymac18

That's why Ireland's the best. Sided with Palestine since day one 🇵🇸🇮🇪

nerfedbeyblade

Macron lacks sincerity (liar) and bows to the demands of the elites.

ronny916

didnt they already backtrack on this before?

Swimming-Mango2442

i keep hearing from bibi that hamas is losing though. huh.

FKSTS

The Israeli government is seething, I've never seen such Islamophobic unloading. They are calling Paris Kabul and threatening to annex the West Bank.

OdielSax

What a joke, in what universe do they think the 2SS is possible

SprinklesSpice

It's a lie, Never trust France. They are secretly working with Israel on everything.

Straight_Koala_3444

Macron does not have the balls to do this

cmakelky

Hallelujah😏

Is there even any meaning to it at this point?

Weekly_Bluejay8410

lol if u believe anything these paid shills say ur in over ur head, most of these politicians say stuff like this all the time for damage control and less backlash. Not many good politicians left

Ok_Agency6277

Zio-Nazis are will “convince” him to reverse his decision. 

The-Bitcoin-Sheikh

Shibo1

They play theatrics. Trying to cover their own arses after all this. Never forget. The occupation remains.

BaMxIRE

September??? Macron really doesn’t get it 🤦🏻‍♂️ No wonder his wife stays slapping him around.

mdosalazar88

Macron is trying to stay relevant. This is just for the show, if he actually does it of course. He promised to do it in June, but he missed the spot obviously...

No_Cloud4804

Honestly this sort of pisses me off. It's way too little, much too late. These people will starve before then. Fuck anyone who supports this. 

talor_swib

Even if this happens … nothing will happen if they dont go directly against the occupators

Secret_Wasabi5186

They are a little behind. The whole world recognizes palestine. And no, France is not important.

samoan_ninja

Great! Problem solved. Genocide is over! /s

Free Palestine 🇵🇸

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1. Recognize the state of Israel

2. Honor all treaties Israel has signed with Arab states

3. Sign a peace treaty with Israel (even if Israel won’t sign)

4. Break off relations with Iran, Syria, Lebanon. 

If so, the Israeli settlers in the West Bank get to start paying rent in exchange for a resident permit, and any Israeli born in the West Bank after Recognition Day, has to leave upon reaching age 18. Any settlers who cannot afford the rent can bill the U.S., and the U.S. will deduct from the aid it gives Israel.  This way, time will solve the illegal settlement problem.

Mission-Carry-887

So Israel eradicates Hamas. What happens next? The people of Gaza who voted in Hamas and overwhelmingly support their cause and the vast majority of them who supported October 7th attacks still exist. They will choose new radical leaders and begin their war again as they chant genocidal chants of "From the river to the sea".

Inksd4y

USG should recognize statehood in Palestine if it is a state, which is different from a state we like. If a Palestinian govt gains sovereignty over its population and borders then it’s a state, until then it’s an Israeli colony.

At this point we have more than enough evidence to show that state building is really hard, expensive, and deadly, especially in the Middle East. For this reason I don’t think it should or will be done anytime soon.

ILoveMcKenna777

&gt;What would it take for the US to recognize a Palestinian state?

Israel's agreement.

Gaxxz

All the Palestinians need to do is uphold the Oslo Accords.  Their (and I do mean the citizens, not just Hamas) rejection of that is why the U.S. and every sane nation should not recognize a Palestinian state.

What it would take would be a true Palestinian state and not a terrorist proxy state led by Hamas or Hezbollah. The organizrion of the state should first recognize Israel's right to exist and stop all the "from the river to the sea" nonsense. They should give up ALL their weapons. If you want peace show it.

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France will officially recognize Palestine as a state during the upcoming UN General Assembly, amidst ongoing tensions and opposition from the US and Israel.

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